I wonder, since HBO’s prequel pilot takes place 10,000 years before Game of Thrones, will that world even be recognizable to fans as Westeros since there’s such a huge time jump?
“10,000 years” is mentioned in the novels. But you also have places where maesters say, “No, no, it wasn’t 10,000, it was 5,000.” Again, I’m trying to reflect real-life things that a lot of high fantasy doesn’t reflect. In the Bible, it has people living for hundreds of years and then people added up how long each lived and used that to figure out when events took place. Really? I don’t think so. Now we’re getting more realistic dating now from carbon dating and archeology. But Westeros doesn’t have that. They’re still in the stage of “my grandfather told me and his grandfather told him.” So I think it’s closer to 5,000 years. But you’re right. Westeros is a very different place. There’s no King’s Landing. There’s no Iron Throne. There are no Targaryens — Valyria has hardly begun to rise yet with its dragons and the great empire that it built. We’re dealing with a different and older world and hopefully that will be part of the fun of the series. [Prequel showrunner Jane Goldman] is a tremendous talent. She flew into Santa Fe and we spent a week talking about her ideas. She’s going into territory that I haven’t explored very much in the books. I’ve hinted about them. But she’s a major writer, I love her work.
I’ve seen some people take this as indication that there won’t be dragons on the new series, which I suppose is possible, but that’s not exactly what Martin says — he just notes that there will be no Targaryens and that Valyria is just beginning to rise. Dragons, according to The World of Ice and Fire, dragons not only existed since ancient times, but they existed everywhere, including Westeros even before the Targaryens brought them there.
In such fragments of Barth’s Unnatural History as remain, the septon appears to have considered various legends examining the origins of dragons and how they came to be controlled by the Valyrians. The Valyrians themselves claimed that dragons sprang forth as the children of the Fourteen Flames, while in Qarth the tales state that there was once a second moon in the sky. One day this moon was scalded by the sun and cracked like an egg, and a million dragons poured forth. In Asshai, the tales are many and confused, but certain texts—all impossibly ancient—claim that dragons first came from the Shadow, a place where all of our learning fails us. These Asshai’i histories say that a people so ancient they had no name first tamed dragons in the Shadow and brought them to Valyria, teaching the Valyrians their arts before departing from the annals.
Yet if men in the Shadow had tamed dragons first, why did they not conquer as the Valyrians did? It seems likelier that the Valyrian tale is the truest. But there were dragons in Westeros, once long before the Targaryens came, as our own legends and histories tell us. If dragons did first spring from the Fourteen Flames, they must have been spread across much of the known world before they were tamed. And, in fact, there is evidence for this, as dragon bones have been found as far north as Ib, and even in the jungles of Sothoryos. But the Valyrians harnessed and subjugated them as no one else could.
As for the Targaryens, they are only one of many Valyrian families (there were 40 Houses), and they were not particularly powerful during their time in Valyria. The Targaryens are the only Valyrians that we are familiar with because they were the only dargonlords to survive The Doom. So, it’s entirely possible House Targaryen didn’t exist in Valyria until much later in the Westeros/Essos timeline than this particular story will be exploring.
The point is: if we see any of Valyria or Essos in general in this new series, it’s not just possible, but likely there will be dragons — just no Targaryens. And with that, I will stop nerdsplaining now.
Benedict Cumberbatch could have been Vampire Bill; Jessica Chastain could have been Sookie. The idea of Cumberbatch threatening to “glammah” someone is blowing my mind.
Netflix very nearly canceled GLOW after the first season due to low ratings, and thank God they came to their damn senses.
Apparently, a third Sex and the City movie would have killed off Mr. Big — and that’s why Kim Cattrall refused to sign on and it will never get made. Also, Chris Noth and I are on the same page about those terrible movies.
Speaking of Sex and the City, here are six episode ideas for a 2018 Sex and the City from some of the writers themselves.
This is interesting: Byron Allen is suing Charter and Comcast for racial discrimination. He claims the cable providers refused to carry his networks because he’s black. “Court documents cite evidence of racial bias, including one instance in which Singer allegedly approached an African-American protest group outside Charter’s headquarters and told them ‘to get off welfare.’ Charter CEO Tom Rutledge referred to Allen as ‘Boy’ at an industry event, court documents allege.”
Congratulations, Mandy Moore!
The Jim Acosta/White House fight is over and done with. The White House restored his credentials and CNN has dropped their lawsuit. However, the White House has instituted new rules for reporters in press briefings in which no reporter is allowed more than one question unless the President decides they can ask more questions.
This is bullshit for patently obvious reasons:
Meanwhile, Lou Dobbs suggested that Trump should have just ignored the court’s ruling and refused to give Acosta his press pass back. “Let’s be honest here,” said Dobbs. “Isn’t there a time where you have to just tell a district court judge to go to hell?” … “The idea that you have to follow the diktat of a district court judge and create rules and can’t run the White House in the way that it has been run since time immemorial,” he continued.
Yep. This is healthy.
Michelle Wolf thinks y’all are cowards, White House Correspondents Association, and she ain’t wrong.
Apparently, No Activity, the cop comedy on CBS All Access used Louis C.K.’s “apology” word-for-word in its second season premiere. Which is actually kinda funny.
- Salvation has been canceled at CBS.
- Bodhi — a supernatural legal drama, and not a series about Patrick Swayze’s criminal surfer — is in development at CBS.
- The Progeny, a drama from the Orphan Black writer, is in the works at The CW.
- Last Stop Bay Bridge, a comedy, is in development at Fox.
- Maya Rudolph and Natasha Lyonne have signed a first look deal with Amazon.
- Verdon/Fosse announced their cast joining Sam Rockwell and Michelle Williams: Norbert Leo Butz, Margaret Qualley, Evan Handler, Aya Cash, Nate Corddry, Susan Misner, Bianca Marroquin, Kelli Barrett, Rick Holmes, Paul Reiser, Ethan Slater, Byron Jennings, Laura Osnes are all joining the minseries.
- Katey Sagal will guest star on The Conners.
- Jaime Camil will guest star on Charmed and Gina Rodriguez will direct.
- David Zayas and Kelcey Mawema will recur on Deadly Class on Syfy.
- David Meunier is joining Breckman Rodeo on Freeform.
- Janet Hubert is joining General Hospital.
- Ashley Greene is your new Abby Huntsman.
Mark Your Calendars
- High Maintenance will return on HBO on January 20.
- Steven Universe will return on Cartoon Network on December 17.
- The Bachelor returns on ABC on January 7 and have you heard that Colton is a virgin because they really want to remind you that Colton is a virgin.
- RuPaul’s Drag Race Holi-Slay Spectacular will air on VH1 on December 7.
- Suits is returning on USA on January 23.
- Pine Gap premieres on Netflix on December 7.
- PEN15 will debut on Hulu on February 8.
- Bumping Mics with Jeff Ross and Dave Attell will debut on Netflix on November 27.
- Death by Magic will premiere on Netflix on November 30.
- The Ranch will return on Netflix on December 7.
- Marilyn Monroe for Sale will air on Smithsonian on December 23.
- Love & Hip Hop: Miami will premiere on VH1 on January 2.
- Sydney to the Max will debut on Disney Channel on January 25.
- 2018 AmericanaFest will air on CMT on December 6.
- Deadly Legacy will air on Discovery on December 9.
- Life Story will return on Discovery on November 22.
- Houdini’s Last Secrets will air on Science Channel on January 6.
- Sports Illustrated Sportsperson of the Year will air on NBCSN on December 13.
This Is Us: Special Thanksgiving Episode, now with extra tears. 8 p.m., NBC
The Conners: A family member “makes an announcement no one saw coming” — so, someone’s pregnant, right? Is it Becky or is it the teen daughter? 7 p.m., ABC
Trevor Noah: Son of Patricia: “Trevor Noah touches on tacos, runaway snakes, camping, racism immunity and lessons he learned from his mother in this comedy special.” Netflix
The Final Table: Some of the world’s best chefs compete in this ambitious new series. Netflix
Frontline: Documenting Hate: New Ameican Nazis: A neo-Nazi group is recruiting within the U.S. military so that’s fun. EVERYTHING IS FINE. THIS IS FINE. 8 p.m., PBS
- Hope at Christmas: 8 p.m., Hallmark Movie Channel
Late Night: Tonight Show Starring Jimmy Fallon: Michael Strahan, Michael Angarano, Takeoff Late Night with Seth Meyers: John Kerry, Taron Egerton, Daniel Simonsen The Late Show with Stephen Colbert: Michael Douglas, Sen. Ben Sasse, Chef Jose Andres The Late Late Show with James Corden: Eric Bana, Billie Lourd, Emily Heller Jimmy Kimmel Live: Michael B. Jordan, Katie Nolan, H.E.R.
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